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A friend of mine used to do it routinely. He'd fly across from Scotland, legal Night VFR to the FIR and ask for and get a Special from the FIR to Dublin. He'd be high so he'd talk to Shannon first and then get handed over to Dublin and go on and land in Dublin. He wasn't alone in doing it either. So, it must be possible.
It's very similar here. The difference is that to be night current (in order to carry passengers), you don't need an instructor beside you if you go for more than 90 days without doing your 3 'stop n gos'. You just do them yourself (afaik), then you can carry passengers again.
Here, it's a separate rating. It's not part of the PPL syllabus.
You've got the wrong end of the stick there. You can't even fly VFR at night even if you have an IR! Currently you can only fly at night (outside a control zone) if you have an IR and fly IFR. If you don't have an IR, you can only fly SVFR and only within a control zone.
Before the law changed in the UK it was different; you could fly outside control zones VFR but you had to comply with IFR (and no, you don't need an IR to comply with IFR). That has now changed. You can now fly VFR at night complying with VFR. So in fact, you could say that we are two steps behind the UK regarding night flying.
So the IAA are already acting in compliance with the new Regs and do not need to do anything, it's just that the CAA are actively taking steps to make nVFR legal outside of a control zone.
On a side note I noticed:
When did this happen? It used to be 3Km vis below 3,000ft and <140kts IAS.
In Ireland SI 72 of 2004 http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2004/en/si/0072.html has the 3km limit with a note that allows flight down to 1.5km vis in certain conditions
I have been asked by numerous members to verify the present AOPA views on this and to clarify a few issues concerning it.
1..As this is an EU Regulation and not a Directive, it is at the discretion of each member state, whether to implement it or not, and if so, how and when.
2..The CORRECTED link to the CAA regulation is
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Informatio ... rected.pdf
3.. No, this does NOT include aircraft registered as a Microlight Aircraft.
4..The aircraft must:
a) not be flown at a height of less than 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a distance of 5 NM unless:
i) it is necessary for the aircraft to do so in order to take off or land;
ii) the aircraft has been otherwise authorised by the competent authority in relation to the area over which the aircraft is flying; or
iii) the aircraft flies at an altitude not exceeding 3,000 feet above mean sea level and remains clear of cloud and with the surface in sight; and
b) be flown in compliance with articles 45 and 46 of the ANO as though it were flying in circumstances where the commander is required to comply with the IFR.
AOPA Ireland has approached the IAA in in respect of this regulation and still awaiting a response.
Needless to say, implementation of this regulation would avoid the need to seek SVFR, although there never appears to be any issue of receiving it.
I hope the above covers all those who submitted questions.
"Needless to say, implementation of this regulation would avoid the need to seek SVFR, although there never appears to be any issue of receiving it...."
So how do I get this SVFR clearance to fly at night in Class G airspace?
If you read read:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Informatio ... rected.pdf
the UK exemption is applicable to all airspace. It's simply not the case that operators in Irish airspace must simply get a SVFR clearance, and disappear off into the night where ever you see fit. SVFR clearances are offered at the discretion of ATC within Class C only. I wouldn't fancy going up to negotiate with the IAA, if I didn't have a perfect knowledge of the subject matter that I was debating.
As SVFR is a partially controlled flight, you cant under present legislation.
SVFR is generally used for delayed flights or similar, either airborne at the transition or entering the FIR after transition which allows them to safely land at a night equipped aerodrome.
The FIR control (Shannon in this case) are found to be quite accomodating on many an occasion, i doubt if you will have ever heard anything to the contrary.
If the NVFR is implemented in Ireland, it will still only include aerodromes which are night equipped.
The new Single European Rules of the Air have been published.
It includes the big quoted below.
So unless the IAA make a general authorisation, we won't be allowed to do SVFR at night in the future!
So I guess they have to decide which thing they want to opt out of. VFR at night, or the ban on SVFR at night.
SVFR will remain in operation for the following 5 Years or until EASA decides otherwise, whichever is the sooner, but only within CTZ, with the exception of "Special Category" flights.
AOPA has now received a response from IAA regarding the NVFR issue.
This may not seem too promising to some but, the fact that we have those words in writing means we are now in a position to follow this through.
(I dont believe i can think of any airfield in "G" airspace which is night equipped!)
Personally, i quite strongly believe that ALL PPL's should have at least one hour's experience of a night flight.
The experience of the differences, the extra knowledge plus, the observation and estimation skills that can be achieved are priceless.
My understanding is EASA has decided otherwise from 14 Dec 2012!
See the SERA here.
See Article 11
It takes effect in 2 months, unless the IAA apply for a derogation in which case we've 2 years and 2 months.
The full regulation takes effect in 2 Months.
Using your link, read on down way below your article 11.
Look for "SERA.5010 Special VFR in control zones", that is part of the SAME regulation!
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