Calling All GA Community

[Jim]

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EC 300 will come into force on the 29th April 2010 replacing EC 2320 the security Regulations that deal with aviation security in Europe for aircraft over 15 tonnes.
Last Friday there was a meeting in the UK to discuss EC 1254/2009. This regulation proposes that states may derogate from EC300 for all aircraft less than 15 tonnes but it requires memberstates to develop a national security plan for all aviation including Ultra lights Balloons and gliders.
Your  state must show the commission by 29.4.2010  how they plan to derogate if they do not then in Law EC 300 will apply and that means that all pilots/passengers/goods etc will need to be screened before the aircraft flies.

The above is an extract from a letter received by AOPA Ireland, from IAOPA.
All members have received the full letter and asked for their views concerning this, so it can be discussed with IAA in more detail.

ALL Irish GA will be affected by this in one way or another!

[inverted]

Jim.
Thanks for letting all us non members know.
Out of interest, how in the name of God is the IAA expected to conduct screening in all private sites dotted around the country.
Somehow I think this wont fly !

[Jim]

Jim.
Thanks for letting all us non members know.
Out of interest, how in the name of God is the IAA expected to conduct screening in all private sites dotted around the country.
Somehow I think this wont fly !

It is envisaged that this will be a lawful matter rather than an aviation one! Sorry!

[RV BLUE]

Now''s the time lads......your aircraft...your airspace...or is it.......??
Mine is protected here by Aopa among others.......

[RV BLUE]

TSA To Leave Most GA Security To GA?

Reports surfaced Friday that the TSA is backing off of plans to create regulations proposed in 2008 that would have required operators of general aviation aircraft to provide special security measures and screen people and cargo. The agency is now said to be leaning toward leaving security mostly to the judgment of pilots and operators. According to NPR, the general aviation industry, an industry "worth $150 billion a year," sent regulators "thousands of complaints." As a result, the TSA has concluded it will make better progress working with the industry than moving ahead with a "combative back and forth." In a revised security plan expected this fall, the TSA is now expected to increase the size of aircraft that must adhere to stricter regulation (presumably above the previously suggested 12,500 pound limit) and leave the security of smaller aircraft largely in the hands of the pilots who fly them. News reports Friday stated that the changes would spare hundreds of smaller airports from the burdens of costly security programs, personnel and equipment.

The TSA had originally thought to create security regulations for smaller airports and aircraft through the logic that improved security at the airlines would drive potential evil-doers to smaller, less-regulated aircraft. However, industry advocates responded that the personal nature of general aviation was, in itself, a level of security and that regulation would add cost burdens and inconveniences, crippling the industry without adding significant security benefits.

This was on AvWeb this morning.......might help in your endeavors..

[Jim]

RV.
By coincidence, i had read that on AVweb approx. 24hrs before we received the letter.

AOPA movements must by their constitution rally to preserve the basic rights of the GA.

I remember the AOPA US made a strong protest against the TSA proposals outlining the consequences of such measures.
If only we can swing the EU to see how this unnecessary security measure will affect our rights.

AOPA Ireland has already received feedback on this issue which will be brought to the attention of IAA and then forwarded to AOPA Europe for the forthcoming EU and the regional meeting.

[ceatach]

Sorry old chap, quite confused about all this AOPA Ireland business and talk of preserving rights of GA and making representations to the IAA etc..etc...

I think you are sending out the wedding invitations before anyone has said yes.

What exactly is AOPA Ireland? It certainly is not a registered company. I can tell there is a Jim behind it, but who else? Any other members of this flying in Ireland website (ie Irish pilots) actively involved? Is there a committee? Is there a president? Is anyone here a member? If there are members, have they elected Jim into his position?

Primum non nocere. I think you should get your own house in order before you go knocking on the IAA's door.

What of the 'other' AOPA Ireland? They are now a registered private company claiming to be free of old financial trouble.
Why have these two AOPA movements not joined together? Is there anyone posting here involved with this other AOPA Ireland? I would love to hear an update!

I would like to support AOPA Ireland and I commend Jim's attempts, but it needs to lay down a new foundation and have elected officers making representations.

[RV BLUE]

I think you are sending out the wedding invitations before anyone has said yes.
[quote="ceatach"]

I think Jim has the right idea. AOPA is a worldwide recognized name, and survives well in other countries. Regurgitating the past, as a method of destroying present credibility, is, to be very fair, as lame as it gets. The past is the past. Move on....
Any attempt to further the betterment of general aviation is a good thing, and a consolidation of present aviation entity's under the umbrella of a great name of AOPA not only looks good, but has the clout of worldwide AOPA branches.
Until that happens your all wasting you time, pussyfooting around, like a bunch of headless chickens.

[ceatach]

sorry there seems to be some barrier in communication probably inherent in these text based forums.

When I say lay a new foundation I don't mean establish a new organisation. I mean a new foundation for AOPA Ireland. One with a joining of interested parties and an election of officers.

As for the "present credibility" you mention, the only credibility I can see is in the name AOPA.

[willo]

Ceatach & DonalMW

Next FII magazine looks at representation for aviators in Ireland.

We have contacted both "AOPA"s and got responses from one.

Representation is definitely worthy of conversation on the forum, but through its own thread, so can I suggest that await the next mag, and lets drive the AOPA and other representation issue from there.

As for the issue of this thread, I would welcome more input. Haven't included in the next mag, as would like to bounce to IAA, who to be fair, have been very proactive in responding to my queries.

Willo

[captain slow]

Leaving aside the whole aopa thing can someone tell me what the iaa have to do with it, if its a security issue?

Also the first post included a copy and paste about this pending directive but mentions security on aircraft over 15 tonnes. My plane is 1/15th that! Can someone enlighten me on that too.

Cheers.

Having thought about it a bit more,and supposing that all planes had to notify someone with a manifest for every flight it would need a huge government dept to work it,which aint going to happen in these times so it would become like a lot laws in ireland-its there but no-one takes any notice?

[Jim]

can someone tell me what the iaa have to do with it, if its a security issue?

As it will affect OPS, we are Liasing with them before approaching the Aviation Security Division of D.O.T.

Having thought about it a bit more,and supposing that all planes had to notify someone with a manifest for every flight it would need a huge government dept to work it,which aint going to happen in these times so it would become like a lot laws in ireland-its there but no-one takes any notice?

But when they do, what then? Fines, Prison, Licence, maybe Aircraft!
Should we oppose it? or should we take that risk?
Your Choice!

[Jim]

Thank god this issue has now been clarified by AVSEC.

Commission Regulation No 1254/2009 setting out criteria to allow Member States to derogate from the common basic standards on civil aviation security and to adopt alternative security measures was published on 18 December 2009. The application of EU aviation security rules applies in Ireland to airports with commercial air transport movements. At this point Ireland does not intend to change our existing arrangements where the full application of EU and national rules apply only to our 3 State and 6 Regional airports with commercial air transport movements. The application of certain requirements to General Aviation will continue as heretofore in relation to those operations at such airports.

[willo]

Nice job Jim.

Have asked questions about AOPA Ireland previously, but you are answering them with actions, so keep up the good work, and keep our backs watched